Following below is Edward Lipinski's response to questions about choosing to vasectomizing one's ferret. It is felt appropriate to post this response since Lipinski's previous posting on this subject seems to deal with only the benefits of using vasectors in limited situations, even tho the avant garde ferreters have chosen to allow their two ferrets, a fertile female and a vasectomized male to coexist simultaneously in a communal envirnoment experiencing a more "natural" and a longer, healthful and albeit contented and happier life. The question is, does the life style of ferret "free love" and reduced vet bills compensate for the disadvantages described following? ************************************************************************* >Right now they really stink, do vasecetomized ferrets still go into >rut, and do they still secrete the extra oils? Dear Rxx, The answers to your two questions are: (1) Yes and (2) Yes. Apparently as long as those testes are left in the scrotum, there is the characteristic odor of the male. In addition, the vasectomized male will continue to "mark" territory with small droplets of his dribbled and usually smeared urine, as would the viripotent intact male. Viripotent means essentially the ability to cause pregnancy in the female, sometimes erronously referred to as "fertile." As you may be aware, the only difference between an intact male and a vasectomized male is the surgical interruption of the means of delivering spermatazoa into the vagina by cutting out a significant section of the dual tubes that conduct spem cells from the testes to the penis. These dual set of tubes are called the vas deferens. When they are cut and sectioned, the vas deferens, yes it does make a vast difference. Most, if not nealy all, owners of vasectomized ferrets will, however, have the anal sacks and the scent glands surgically removed at the same time the ferret is undergoing the vasectomy. This is of significance if the male ferret is to have free-run of the household. However, here at FNW, the ferrets do not have free-run of the househould but are instead confined to the daylight basement "ferretarium" to free-run when thay are not confined to their or to the serviced female's cage. Also one should be aware that the vasectomized male ferret retains all of the libido of the intact or viripotent male as well as the dominating behavior. Thus any fixed ferret that the vasectomized male encounters will be victim of his superior strength, vigor, and Alpha status. It is very unusual for fixed and vasectomized ferrets to meet and mix on equal terms of acceptable behavior. Any fixed ferret that has Alpha status aspirations is quicky Beta-sized after meeting and interacting with a vasectomized ferret, all other factors being equal. And perhaps of more importance, the interaction of two vasectomized ferrets of approximate similar size and age is extremely vigorous and may result in injury to one or both males. The two males will fight each other for Alpha status until the one is completely ravished or a draw results with both ferrets being so exhausted they can no longer lift their heads off the floor. They lie there, nose to nose, paws spread-eagled and belly flat on the floor, panting heavily and seem to be trying to stare each other down. I appreciate your asking the questions about the odor of vasectomized males as opposed to neutered males. This has given me the opportunity to show the "other side" of owning "vasectors" ("V-hobs") in comparison to the advantages of keeping "vasectors" in a ferret breeding colony and a ferret shelter. I should think that one should choose very carefully before deciding on vasectomizing one's ferret. Edward Lipinski Ferret Endowment for Research, Rehabilitation, Education & Training Society, NorthWest, aka F.E.R.R.E.T.S. N.W., or more simply: FNW. [Posted in FML issue 2888]