My goodness, Thank you ZEN for that rather graphic depiction of a hob in rut.. I have a visual of Oliver with oily rings around his blood shot eyes, humping all of Joeys stuffed animals, hissing profanity at me while I unhook him from the cat, ferret<insert here, object of desire> my home unbearable to enter unless you have gas mask. Please tell me, with no other Jills around, the severity of his behaviour will be somewhat less??? June [Posted in FML issue 2841]