Is Plicatic acid - a volatile hydrocarbon what you were looking for? I think that was the name of the nasty in cedar shavings - not to mention various turpines... Regarding Dr. Weiss's adrenal movie - I wish I could afford it! There is not one single vet in the entire country of Israel that has ever done this surgery and it would be a tool beyond price! I am going to try and convince the vet school, but won't hold my breath! <sigh> Beverly Burge Tisch Family Zoological Gardens in Jerusalem Section Head - Hospital/Quarantine Unit Registrar [Posted in FML issue 2848]