It looks like I have mastered the cage mishapps. The new boys were having problems using the boxs in the cage. Smokey like to go between the two boxes I added. So I put two different boxes there and there wasnt any room to go in between. He finally got the message. Trooper I think had a problem getting off the ladder, Not sure but I know the ladder in his old cage was different maybe that caused the problem. So I have a big box with the front cut down and put the ladder in the box. Trooper got the message. Its been 3 days and no misses. (smile) I am thinking I won. One more silly thing. I was cleaning the cage and put an empty box in the middle of the living room floor and it got used. go figure. Lydia and the crew Snickers the baby Casper the fighter Bubba the momma's boy Smokey the king of the hill Trooper the new kid on the block Ossi and Isis @rainbow bridge http://www.amswebdesign.com/ferrets [Posted in FML issue 2807]