Sukie asks about heavy duty cleaners for feces and urine encrusted wood. I have a friend with both ferrets and parrots, and she gets a product called something like "Bird Poop Remover". She says it works wonders for removing dried ferret and bird poop from walls, carpets, and floors of various composition. It's moderately expensive, costing about $18 for a 32 oz spray bottle, to the best of my recollection, but it goes a long way. She buys it at a pet store that has a lot of bird products. Linda Iroff Oberlin, OH Support the Ferrets Unlimited/Raisin Retreat Ferret Shelter by visiting http://www.iGive.com/html/ssi.cfm?cid=3585&mid=30146 [Posted in FML issue 2778]