Hi! just had to ask something I never really thought of... you know how after working out, a long run, excess exercise us humans get a build up of lacid acid in their muscles--thus: achy/sore muscles? (also due to the tearing of the muscle and the repairing process) Well--do ferrets get sore like we do? I know after a long long playsession outdoors and running up hills they are pooped--but i never thought that they might be sore or achy! I guess I automattically massage their backs when i pick them up--but they always love that so I don't know if it is needed or not... any answers out htere? ~~~ In reference to Sukie's post on adrenal disease: here the stats on my one surgery: - Early neuter? Yes. - Source? Pet Store Upstate NY. Purchased at 10 weeks. Arrived in store at 9 weeks. Birthday: 8/95 - Breeder? MF - Lighting? Daylight through windows. Wooden Box to sleep in/under blankies. Artificial lighting via lamps (non flourescent). Did this answer the question right? - Age at discovery of illness? 2 yrs. 5 months - At start of symptoms? 3 yrs. 3.5months (maybe sooner. unsure due loss of her cagemate in Nov.--thought lethargy/lack of wintercoat due to grief) - Gender? Female - How much FULL darkness, as in pitch black? no artificial full black. Darkness from PM (shades drawn/no lights) and in box. - What foods? Iams Kitten--first 2.5 years. Now, TF with a little Iams--mixed in. - How much exercise? Caged during day (8:30am-6:30pm). Out all evening and overnight. - If cage then how big a cage so that they can exercise even when in? New cage: Martins Highrise (as of end April 1999) Old cage: SuperPet (3'high x 2'wide x 2.5 long). In cage--rarely exercise. Sleep a lot even with toys. - How often cuddled and played with and for how long (per day and per week)? per day: at least three hours. More on weekends. Less on Busy days. - Have the ferrets been to shows or gatherings with a number of other ferrets? Been to one show so far. She lives with two others. - Past illnesses? cold when 10 weeks old. Coccidia at 2 yr. 7months. - Shot history? Babies boosters. Yearly rabies/distemper. no reactions. - General Location? (state/province, country) NY - Whatever else you can think of... Only true symtoms of adrenal disease: slightly swollen vuvla. (about size of pencil eraser). Lethargy/thirst minimal. Only hair loss was on toes. Disease diagnosed during winter: she never got winter coat in--stayed with summer coat. At time of surgery, slight hair loss on toes (another place to look for hairloss according to Dr. Weiss). Atherwise, healthy--not true when he opened her up! Two huge tumors on both sides. (glands eight times the size of normal) Removed Left and 60% of right. Currently on .5mg of Pediapred to regulate--retest this week to wean off. Hope this helps some. Please contact me if you need more info. She is fat and happy right now, sleeping in her hammock. I seem to think less maternal (no longer mothers her squeeky toys as much, but when tested, she had only extremely high testosterone, not high estrogen. weird.) Meg and the all new princess keera [Posted in FML issue 2690]