To Diane in regards to your post about the enlarged kidney. It could be an enlarged prostate. That's what my Rowdy (5 yrs) had and Dr. Greg Moore (super ferret vet here in Texas) did surgery so that he has an open incision to the bladder so he can go to the bathroom (actually dribble). It was because of his adrenal tumors ( had both removed). He still strains to go to the bathroom (not as bad as before) and goes from box/place to place due to infection and probably a lot of discomfort! His poops are small and leaves little puddles. He does still have quality of life, the alternative was to send him to the bridge and we weren't ready for that decision yet. To Jen about getting ECE again. It's my understanding (and we're going through it right now with the new commers), that there are different strains and can be contracted again, but it's not anything like the first time around - thank goodness! We just have bad poops now and then. They all act normal (whatever that means :o). I'll be glad when everyone gets over it AND GETS ALONG, but that's another story... I hope to post good news about that one of these days soon! Hope that helps! Hugs to all! Mary, Rob and all the critters (10 ferret munchkins, 1 3-legged dog, 4 cats) [Posted in FML issue 2555]