Hi there! I just want to say that what you are doing is very admirable; don't give up! *g* ... we adopted a couple of brothers who were whole, and bit just like you describe... nailed me and my husband hard and deep enough to draw blood! But even when I was ready to despair, we just hung in there (my husband has the patience of a saint)... and now Gandalf the White and Gowron the Psychoferret (named thus because if he even *saw* you, he'd run at you and bite you) are the sweetest babes.... they will put their teeth on our fingers every once in a while, but they never bite down. We just trained them by yelling 'No Bite!!' and scruffing them and hissing at them. We used to have to dress in long sleeves and always wear socks and shoes.. now we can go barefoot and wear no sleeves, if we want. We still have to be wary of them, and I'll never trust them with others completely, but even our friends' kids can pet them and hold them - they just know not to play rough with them so as to not get them excited, which is when they seem to forget and bite a little hard. One day, it'll just happen! It was like they all of a sudden decided that they liked the treats and the cuddles and realized that the scruffing and the biting were related somehow, and that with their new human friends they couldn't bite like they bite their playmates. (ferrets have really tough skins, and can take roughhousing better than humans can) So hang in there! They just need human attentions and treats, cuddles, admonishments, and just plain love will work wonders.... Telaraj, Miles, and the SuperSweet Sixteen [Posted in FML issue 2482]