Comments regarding what to do about the private owned petstore that kept the little darlings in such a messy condition they couldn't even drink water because of its position. I think it is an excellent idea to approach the owner/manager and explain the conditions and how it can cause the little tykes to develope a behavior which will result in the kits not conducting themselves in a good salesmanship manner. Most shelters give excellent printed material you might give them and suggest you and your husband would be happy to set up a cage for them which would show them off and make em more saleable. If he is open to these suggests = great, but keep in mind, he may listen and then prefer to rearrange things his own way, which is good too. If he gets angry, shows an indifference then I would suggest referring him to people who can do something about it. An additional thing, I would also write Todd Marshall at MF ([log in to unmask]) and tell him the condition their kits are being displayed with signs indicating them as the breeders, that these conditions do not reflect well on MF's name, although you understand they don't have good control over how they are kept after they are shipped but if MF would write the store owner a letter advising they received a complaint and were concerned, it might get the attention of the store owner. Its people like you who are the watchdogs out there,who discover these conditions and are willing to do something about it who will clean up the industry. So much of this stuff is out of ignorance than just not caring on the part of these store owners. Rule of thumb, most people starting a business or getting into a certain field are people who have an interest in it to begin with (excluding some teenagers getting their first job after school). Let us know what your results are. Millie & the cleaning crew Easy Off: the most perfect ferret in the whole wide world Ammonia: I know, I'll picket her stash of stolen stuff so Grandma will see what she has done Cascade: The Observer: my hair is falling out in shapes of kisses on my checks, my neck, on top of my head.... Ajax: yet to come - Mama am I going to have to get in the middle of that [Posted in FML issue 2403]