Thanks for the reply Bill about show standards I wasn't interested in where who got what from where all I was interested in was if AFA published there standards like the other organization does and if so where and how I could obtain a copy. Yes I think everyone knows that there isn't separate breeds of ferrets, well than again maybe they don't but as your post was directed towards me I do. You did answer my Question in a round about manner that you have been prodding AFA to publish there standards so I assume that they don't have such a publication. If you succeed in prodding them to do so please let me know so I can obtain a copy. With that assumption being correct I won't be showing ferrets at an AFA show. Jeff the tactless Barbarian [Posted in FML issue 2316]