>From: Sandi Ackerman <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: zen on breeder/shelters... Nope. Nothing worth responding to. As long as one side of a debate is so willfully ignoring the obvious there is no point in continuing. A rebutal would merely state that we disagree with practically every sentence. Ferret breeders are by and large likely to be shelter operators. They need to know everything that shelter operators do since even if they don't take in strays they have to deal with the same issues. Veterinarians do have a lot of specialized information that neither shelter folk nor breeders will ever need to know. There are lots of things they learn from breeders (and some shelter folk too) Hope the vets here realized that we weren't specifically talking about them. We don't play vets (even on TV). >From: Anonymous Poster <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Zen on Breeders Ah shooting from a hidden position... [Moderator's note: No, this person is in an FFZ and normally posts anonymously. BIG] >First off I personally feel that if you are running a shelter you >are taking in the unwanted. Well unwanted in their current situation. Our whole point is to find where they are wanted. >You are taking in the unwanted older ferrets or possibly sick or for >whatever reason taking in an unwanted ferret, yet breeding ferrets to >create babies. Yes. But that isn't a contradiction. Where should ferrets come from? If there were no more baby ferrets then in some ten plus years there would be no more ferrets at all. We obviously need ferrets to be born unless extinction ala Peta's one generation then out desire is now universal. We really do not understand that that is a contradiction. We provide people that want ferrets with ferrets. Thats what shelters do and thats what breeders do. We just have different sources. No more. No less. Oh we certanly don't feel stupid. But saying that what we are doing is stupid is indeed calling us stupid. Okay we were only called "kind of stupid". >I just think if you are running a shelter it makes no sense to breed an >animal you are sheltering because 9 out of 10 chances you may see that >ferret you sold to someone in your shelter later on down the road. That is a rather bizarre statement! Are you actually saying 90% of ferrets end up in shelters? That we breeders turn around and breed our turnins? We surrender. Can't debate this type of illogic. We could refute it but it seems likely to be a waste of time and effort. >From: Juliana Quadrozzi - GA Domestic Ferret Association > <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: shelters' rights Going further back... Not us. Nope still too much of a flame-fest. >From: Sandi Ackerman <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: One day--success >I'm not all that sure that it would be such a sad thing for the domestic >ferret to become extinct. Uh huh... There is a reason that quite a few in the ferret world consider the Ferret Digest an unfriendly place. There is a lot some of these people Even some <shudder> breeders <!> could have a lot of information to pass along. But we are rare in that we are willing to take this abuse. Is it really doing any person or ferret any good to divide the ferret world on an imaginary boundary between ferret shelters and ferret breeders? bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets http://www.zenferret.com/ mailto:[log in to unmask] [Moderator's note: There are some strong opinons, but some of the posts today are well-written and informative IMHO. BIG] [Posted in FML issue 2314]