Bill and family, Just a note from one of those great "liberal education" classes I had to take at college: The founding fathers of the US felt that it was very important that freedom of speech was one of the primary principles, not because they wanted everyone to have their say, but because they felt the truth would come out on top. The philosophy on which they based this says that if two (or more) people have an, open, honest, and considered discussion, each person will believe they are right - if they do not disagree, then one must be wrong (or confused, or missing some information - since they each believe they are right). If they listen and consider all of the viewpoints, they will discover where they might be wrong, and be able to revise their own opinions. If they are completely right (which is the rare case), they will be able to logically, politely, correct the opposing viewpoint, through logic, not insult. Too bad this isn't the way "freedom of speech" is usually worked out, particularly on this forum, since we all start from the same basis - love of ferrets. Debbie & Jim Pixie (The one in charge) [Posted in FML issue 2223]