In reply to two posts regarding the effect of feral ferrets on New Zealand wildlife, it mainly agrees with Bobs post.... Before I start I will mention that this post refers to the very specific problem that exists in New Zealand. In no way should the following examples be used to argue against the legalisation of ferrets in California, as mammalian predators (Mink) already exist in that state. Yes its true and official; feral " ferrets have been recorded killing adult kiwi in captivity and in the wild". They continue to play a role in the decline of many species of native New Zealand birds, insects and lizards. Some of these species are still very much threatened and without human intervention will become extinct within 50 years or so. Although its a fact, it isn't all the ferrets doing. As Bob argued yesterday its a question of degrees. Dogs, stoats and cats have all been recorded predating on Kiwis. Stoats eat whatever ferrets eat and the two species co exist in the same habitat. Yes, ferrets DO eat and continue to play a role in the decline of native NZ species, but so do other introduced species. In reply to Brett and Melissa Lapham: The ferrets (and others) are killing the remaining Kiwis (a large flightless bird) left on mainland New Zealand. Current mustelid control technology is proving ineffective. In some areas Kiwi eggs and chicks are being removed and reared in captivity to combat the high mortality rate caused by predation. The stability that Bob claimed to exist between rabbits and predators has recently been thrown in the rubbish bin. Farmers recently illegally released RCD, a rabbit killing virus. The big fear now is prey switching. With no rabbits to eat the predators (including tens of thousands of ferrets) will switch to eating more of the native fauna. On the brighter side, I own a ferret. I live in the middle of some very altered farmland and the chance of my ferret even encountering any native species (except for the odd insect) are pretty remote. Ferrets in New Zealand aren't all bad, just the ones who've strayed too far to be welcome. Jim Young [Posted in FML issue 2179]