I might have been the woman who wrote about harnesses-- if I wasn't, I do have a similar opinion. The figure 8 harnesses I have seen have all been made of nylon, and slip dreadfully (I imagine this wouldn't be a problem with leather ones, though). Even when securely fastened, Amelia showed an astonishing ability to slip out of them-- once underground, where she promptly fell asleep and I ended up digging her out. When she reached the point where she'd figured out that if she flexed her shoulders just right she could pop the screw that held the thing together (she's a big strapping Canadian girl), I bought an H style harness. The harnesses I have use clippy things instead of buckles, so it's very simple to put on and off. Cully's been able to slip out of his, but it takes him a long and obvious time to do it, giving me ample time to stop him. One thing I like about the H harness is that if I need to lift up a ferret quickly by the leash, the straps are wider and so it seems to me it is less likely to injure the ferret's neck, or to slip over the ferret's "elbows." The belly and neck straps on mine, incidentally, aren't riveted in place; the material is looped, so they can slide and cause a minimum of restriction (although that's not what my ferrets would tell you :) Just my experience with these harnesses-- I imagine the material it's made out of makes a big difference in how well the harness works. Has anyone ever tried those strange looking harnesses where you put the ferret's front legs through a piece of leather with two holes punched in it? I have a hard time picturing those staying on... Regina and the escape artists -- Regina Harrison http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/1083 And time gets somewhat muddled here But no matter, no matter [Posted in FML issue 2146]