First I'd like to respond to the person who asked if Marshall Farms was the only "Ferret Farm" around that mistreats their ferrets. I believe there is a Canadian breeder that also practices the same as marshall farms. I have had nothing but bad luck when I go to the pet stores and see these kits. This farm breeds a TON of black-eyed white stripes. I actually bought one once. Everyone I've known that has ever bought one has had the same problem as me, these guys are vicious. I thought maybe I just got a really mean one, but i've known 5 other people that have adopted these guys and have had the same problem. They are also spayed too early and shipped long distances when they are really young. I haven't seen them mentioned much on here, and I can't remember their name, but I always hear them referred to as "that canadian farm". These guys latch on to your finger and do not let go, even at 6 months to a year of age. But they do grow up much larger than MF ferrets. my second item is cheap ferret stuff. I am constantly on the look out for discount pet stuff by mail order since I'm broke and live out in the middle of nowhere and I found a great place on the web 2 weeks ago. The address is http://www.marineaquatics.com The site is sort of hard to navigate, and there are no pictures or descriptions so you have to know what you are looking for, but their stuff is dirt cheap, and shipping is free. They charge a $5 handling fee on orders under $50. They have the really nice hammocks from duke fashions for like $7 (the dreamscape hammock and the flying cubby) and they have those reallly cool 32 oz flat-bac water bottles that attach to your cage with a big clamp instead of the stupid wire for $4.50. This bottle is also flat, doesn't take up any room, and has a floating yellow duck so you can see the water level. I think Pets International makes that. They have Marshall Farms products too, although it's listed under the comany that manufactures the MF stuff. I got the 8-in-1 ferret food for around $1 or so a pound and the Four Paws shampoo for around $3. Basically you navigate the site to the small animal produts, and it gives you a HUGE list of manufactures and the items they sell with prices next to them. You have to know what you are looking for or you won't find it easily. They also had those Fun-nels things really cheap too. It's mixed in with cat and dog products so you have to hunt but it is really worth while. They ship UPS and I just got my order today, I am totally happy. I was waiting to post till it all came in. Anyways check it out if you get a chance. Happy dooking everyone :) Shaeryn [Posted in FML issue 2103]