Just a short note thanking everyone for the offers of help and assistance. He did not need an operation, my vet had him "ralaxed" with isoflourine, & massaged out a lump of "goo". He's had several helpings of subQ fluids, and is home with me right now. He hasn't eaten much, so I have to go make recipe & feed. She also switched form the Baytril to cefa drops, since two doses of Baytrill didn't kill the urinary infection that is the probable cause of this. He's on week 5 of treatment for what started as the flu. I'll get back individually but wanted to give a short note of better news:) Take care and thank you all again:) Gary & the gang of fur Timmy's web site=<http://www.concentric.net/~Gferret/> AOL "instant Message" ID=garyferret [Posted in FML issue 2077]