>Karen Daigneault <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Keep off for Dogs >What's the scoop on Keep Off for dogs around fuzzies? Anyone know or had >experience with it? Karen, I've used it with little success and great discomfort. I decided it was just to caustic for ferrets, but this is wholly a personal opinion. I think it repels humans better! >Pam Grant and STAR* Ferrets <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: MF and shelters >Okay - I want to put at least MY interaction in this issue to rest. Pam, it is always a pleasure when certain "authorities" post their experiences. I believe we have spoken of this "off-line" also and I have always found our discussions informative and intelligently based. As you probably know, there where others involved in various "talks" all accomplishing about the same as the one you refer to. And there are different perspectives which is only normal. However, I do not share your dark opinion of possible outcomes and believe that it will take more than one change in MF Standard Operating Procedure to ameliorate these problems. I believe the proposal you suggested was a "quick fix" attempt: simple, straightforward, and wholly unworkable. Nor does the MF issues exclusively revolve around retired breeders. But it was a start. I say these things with the deepest respect and admiration for your continued work and efforts which you have selflessly put forth and I really hope you do not take offense at ANY of this. Please do not read more into this than is written as some others habitually do with my posts. I do not believe anyone has done more for ferret welfare than you. But I also firmly believe we can do better regarding many of MF's issues. I look forward to possibly working along with you in the future and all concerned in accomplishing this. You see, I also believe it will take more than a few wise and well intentioned individuals. >Kymberlie Becker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: A mostly unbiased MF comment Kymberlie, I sympathize with your position. I don't think anyone is truly capable of a completely unbiased opinion, and frankly someone with absolutely NO personal interest or passion does not compel me. All of us have motivating factors and to deny them is foolhardy. It is only that these factors be forthright and uncloaked. Now I know this sounds sorta blowhardish, but I really have a lot of faith in human nature. We are equally capable of great deeds and accomplishments as we are of ignorance and apathy. Your post is a welcomed addition to the table. best wishes, until next time, alphachi [Posted in FML issue 2004]