It is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that people realize the policy maker in this case is Dr. Mary Grace Stobierski DVM, MPH Disease Surveillance Section / DCD /BIDC Michigan Department of Community Health 3500 N. Logan Lansing, MI 48909 (517)335-8165, FAX (517)335-8121, e-mail: [log in to unmask] Her boss is Dr. Hall but I wouldn't waste my time on him. His testimony in court clearly showed that he is an example of the 'peter principle' and has little, if any, clout. The director of the Michigan Department of Community Health is: James Haveman 3423 N. Logan Lansing, MI 48909 Contacting Haveman is likely to get you a response from Dr. David R. Johnson, MD, MPH, Chief Medical Executive. He is a MASTER in political rhetoric and has a lonnnnng form letter explaining why it is inappropriate to question Stobierski's ability to serve the public. KEEP AFTER HAVEMAN!!! He must be made to realize that Stobierski (her perjured testominy in Kodo's case is a matter of public record) will continue to embarrass his department. If he feels enough heat, he will react. GET THE MEDIA INVOLVED!!! If Haveman has to keep answering their questions he will soon get the point. I have been after Stobierski for over a year but I am just one voice in the wind. Burns, while an evil person, is only one of the soldiers. STOBIERSKI SETS THE POLICY!!! And while Burns is evil, Stobierski makes her look like Mother Thereasa! Please feel free to contact me or Deb if you need more info. Dave Les Chairman GLFA Rabies Committee [log in to unmask] (248)391-1895 [Posted in FML issue 1972]