To Sterling and all FMLers... First off I have to apologize because I haven't been reading all of the recent posts about MF and breeding, etc. SO, if I say something that's already been brought up, please forgive me. Also, I have a feeling that no matter what I write here, someone isn't going to like it, please don't flame me, but you're welcome to e-mail me and reply with your disagreement in a constructive manner. We're all entitled to our opinions. Sterling, as to you personally, we've e-mailed one another in the past and I find you to be a responsible ferret owner--my opinions may differ with yours but I hope that doesn't cause you to dislike me. Here's my two cent's worth: I run a shelter as many of you all know. I am strongly opposed to the "backyard breeding" that goes on in just about every state. A large percentage of these people haven't got a clue about the medical needs of ferrets, they aren't experienced in breeding, and cannot handle problems that arise (quite frequently) during the birthing of ferrets. Many of these breeders don't spay/neuter their breeders offspring, then sell the unaltered ferrets to people that don't know that ferrets MUST BE FIXED! Then, males are not kept/cared for because they stink so badly, and in the meantime everyone that visits the home of these people gets the idea that ferrets smell horrible not to mention that the ferret owner probably tells everyone how bad they smell. Very bad ferret PR!!! The females go out into homes, go into heat, owner doesn't know what's going on and before they bother to go to a vet she's dead. I very, very strongly oppose the breeding of ferrets except under very certain circumstances. There are a few non-commercial breeders out there (a few of you are on this list, you know who you are) that are very informed, they breed with conscience, don't let the babies go to just anyone, and are just great. But, they are in the minority. If all "backyard breeders" operated under the ethics of these few, I would support the closing down of mills like MF. But, as this won't happen, I am a Marshall Farms supporter. Why not?? So far nobody has been able to prove that MF ferrets have a higher rate of cancer than non MF. If someone says they have proof, their studies are biased due to the fact that since there are more ferrets in this country that come from MF, you're going to find more ferrets with cancer that are MF. I have had (still do) several MF ferrets, and in some cases they're even healthier than my non MF ferrets. Think about it...backyard breeders, the non-conscientious ones, don't care WHAT defects they're passing along. This poses a worse health threat in my opinion. We could wind up with a country full of ECE exposed ferrets, potentially, if MF was shut down. If there was no MF, a huge market would open up for ferrets, and the money-makers would seize the opportunity. I must interject, I KNOW that you, Sterling, are not asking that MF be shut down. But I have had dozens of people in the past try to convince me that MF should be closed. This post is meant to tell my feelings about MF. I don't like a lot of things that MF has done. There have been MF ferrets that froze to death in cargo holds waiting for airline shipment because MF didn't wait for better weather to send the kits out. Stuff like that. But I also think that when you're dealing with tens of thousands of ferrets a year, there will be a few isolated tragedies. Doesn't mean I like it, but it can't be helped. I also don't like the whole early spay/neuter that MF does, which is your point, Sterling. But I ask you, what is the alternative??? If they didn't do the altering, it would be up to the pet stores to convince those purchasing ferrets to do it themselves. There would be soooo many ferrets that wouldn't be fixed, or worse, a family will say "let's just breed her once....". Again the odor problem would be an issue. Ferrets would lose the good reputation that we are all working so hard for them to get. Another point to mention....at least if ferrets are fixed before they go to the stores, they cost an arm and a leg to purchase. This prevents some really bad people from buying ferrets "on a whim". I'd like to see the price of ferrets go UP! If MF didn't neuter, no store could sell a ferret that hasn't been fixed for a high price, then expect them to pay for a $100+ surgery on top of it. Another thing that could be done would be to convince MF to spay/neuter later on, but then nobody would be able to buy a baby ferret. 6 months is a recommended age (am I right???) People want to buy the babies, not 6 month olders. Personally, what I would like to see done (and I doubt it's possible at all) is to enact laws that require all pet stores that sell a ferret unspayed/unneutered to collect the money for the surgery (i.e., purchase a certificate for surgery) at the time of purchase. This way, MF could let the kits go to the stores unfixed, and at the appropriate time the ferret would be fixed because nobody would dump over $100 bucks then let it just be wasted. This is similar to the policies of many SPCAs--pay for a kitten, pay for a surgery, get a certificate for spaying when she's older. You also have to sign a form stating that she won't be bred. Of course then you run into the problem of what about people that buy a little boy and a little girl. You don't want to separate them, but you don't want them to breed if you don't have altering done in time. I welcome any and all responses, but please be constructive if you disagree. I mean to offend nobody here. Kymberlie Becker Director, Pennsylvania Ferret Rescue Association "Forget Puppy Love...There's nothing Greater than Ferret Love!" TM http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/ferretlady [Posted in FML issue 1933]