Thanks Paul for adding experiences. I've only seen one true cinn. Since he's passed on, I cannot confirm it, but I think if you microscopically compare a dilute choc hair and a cinn hair, observing the root/shaft/tip differences, you may see a white tip on the choc. and the cinn should be even in all three zones. If you hold an actual stick of cinnamon spice next to a chocolate or champagne ferret, the difference will be in the hue, the lack of ruddy redish brown, and the spice will almost match a cinnamon ferret. Truly a beautiful animal, but then, they all are, aren't they? You've included some references, and I'm using what I think used to be my memory... which I would like to refresh, now that the subject has arisen..:) Bob [Posted in FML issue 1906]