I haven't had to deal with anything like Mithril's type of "clamp" yet, but if I ever did, my plan is to fill some sort of container with *cold* water and STICK MY HAND IN. Or whatever appendage is being assaulted. I am *not* talking about holding the fert in, I'm referring to giving it a *choice* between letting go and drowning. If it picks drowning, I gotta say it's both mean and *stupid* and it's probably for the best...if it's halfway smart, the total shock should wake it up somewhat to it's misdeeds. My $.02 [Posted in FML issue 1836]