RE: the idea of using velcro for litter pans: We had thought about, but not implemented, puttint strips of velcro up on all walls and putting harneses with velcro tops on the ferrets. That way, when they are fussing, etc.. we could just stick them up on the wall! No, we haven't done it though beckers and the wild 10 -- becki kain "words are just dust in deserts of sound." eldritch [Posted in FML issue 1723]