first off, tieke (the one sitting in my lap on our web page) has, most probably, insulinoma. he's going in for surgery today. please wish him well. secondly, nero (as in "He looks good but he's not too bright")) from the web page) vomited last night and it looked just like food mush. he has (and has had all of his life) the worst breath I've ever smellt. Could it be that the doesn't digest his food properly? When he was young, he went through what was probably a botched fix/descent and had a prolapsed rectum. I had to feed him this bacteria stuff and pepto bismo to make him healthy again. that was four years ago and, for the most part, he seems healthy. any ideas? -- becki kain "words are just dust in deserts of sound." eldritch http://www.furph.com/ferret.html [Posted in FML issue 1483]