Lars asked a few questions: We don;lt breed a jill unless she will be approximately one year old (or more of course) by the time she gives birth. The first strus may or maynot co-incide. We've had good luck with the hormone shots. I guess the vet visit is less traumatic than the breeding. Some oflks claim the vasectomized hob route is more reliable. We only use the hormones if our snipped hobs are 'non-functional'. I guess Florida is too far away to use one of ours.... Oh tell the folks about you new jill... She's nice! bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets [Posted in FML issue 1441]