Congratulations, MA!!!!!!! Too bad it does not work out to be march forth (pun) rather than March 7th! Of course, ferrets learn their names, heck, they have no trouble with simple sentences, conditionals, or the names of others. I am not being fasicious. Troy-Lynn, we also use shark cartilage at times, but have had better luck grinding in the cooked cartilage from any chicken used here. Wow! Kathy, please, thank Mary Maday for the information. She did not need to jump so completely, though. Given how difficult some of the wild members of Mustelidea are Pam and others (including me) urged caution partly because we have seen some people here who have enough trouble reading domestics. Now I really wish we were in a free standing home. Those polecats sounds just marvelous. BTW, who would have thought that wolverines could be mild when raised in captivity (We will ignore the fact here that they can cause ferret-like damage at a much greater scale.), yet that is just what some folks have found. (It is like people who used to say that I was lucky that I didn't work with big, bad gorillas (Yeh, right.), but instead with an assortment of cute prosimians, monkeys, chimps, gibbons, and some non-primates (Sure, they were cute, and I do still adore them, but for levels of pacificity I would take a gorilla over them any day.) Sukie, Steve, Meltdown, Ruffle, 'Chopper who was the organic helicopter in earlier years, Spot, Meeteetse, and Warp [Posted in FML issue 1407]