Rascal sounds like a very nice Sable Siamese (Sable Finepoint ot Sable Point) Digger is a bit more of a challenge. The kneecaps is the sign of a panda/blaze gene along with the white feet. Unfoirtunately for 'show' standards Digger sounds like a not so 'perfect' panda. Should have a fully white head back to the shoulders. The white hairs on the legs are called roaning and will increase over a lifetime. Several ways to go. Mutt, blaze/panda wannabe. or just Sable Mitt. Might be a Sable Siamese Mitt. Sounds pretty as well. But I;ve got a real fondness for the Siamese pattern. Very complete descriptions by the way. Thanks... bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets [Posted in FML issue 1410]