Debbie Riccio made some comments that were right on the mark about breeding in 'cute' but undesirable traits. Except that in our case it wasn't 'bulldog' faces. OUr ferrets involved in this breeding weren't bulldogs. The have what is called a 'sculpted face' withat a definite shout. It isn't the long thin 'racing weasel' or the 'whippet' face. These kits don't have a particularly short face either. I don't know what happened except that I won't be breeding these two again. But I do agree on the undesirable traits sometimes being the 'cute' ones. bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets [Posted in FML issue 1289]