I want to thank all of you who e-mailed me on this subject. Unfortunately I think I have to narrow myself to two choices and just be happy about it. In this part of the world, the fieldguides (thanks all of you who had the GREAT idea to look in these things!) showed that Minks and Martins both fit all of my search criterion.as to place and physical characteristics. However, nothing I could find mentioned the pug nose Seems even the experts can't tell one sable from another. I know I never could ;) David & Susan Iggy ("see, it pays to be white and gray") Basilsaurus Rex (" sorry Karl, B. Regina just doesn't flow") [Posted in FML issue 1200]