Dark eyed whites is a better description. Pandas and blazes (shetlands, badgers) are also usually burgandy or ruby eyed. I hope to post a succint description of the various show standards on color soon. The genetics involved as well. I bred a white stripe this yeare - a dark eyed white with about 50 black hairs forming a bit od a stripe from the base of the tail part way up the back. This hob had only one litter mate a dark sable jill. We call them Yin and Yang. bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets [Posted in FML issue 0994]