To Lenny: If all your ferrets are still fighting, try giving everyone a bath in something like Odor Mute all at once. This starts them all off equal as far as scent goes. If that doesn't work, you may just have to let them fight it out. Don't worry about him hurting the females; a typical healthy jill or sprite can wreak havok on the largest hob. I used to have a sprite named Peaches the Hun who was paralized in her hind end. Consequently, never having been able to run from a fight, she learned how to fight REAL dirty. When the Hormone Brothers were six-pound adolescents, they tried ONCE to get the best of her. She grabbed them by the ear, pounded their heads into the floor once or twice, and they ran away screaming. From then on they would go to any lengths to avoid having to walk past her. You might want to introduce them not in a cage but in a maze of weasel tubes (4 inch PVC pipes cut in foot long sections and connected with T and Y joints). This way everybody feels they have a place to escape to. On starting a club: DON'T BOTHER UNTIL YOU"RE WILLING TO DO ALL THE WORK YOURSELF FOR THE FIRST YEAR! I found this out the hard way starting CFFA many years ago. It basicly fell apart when I decided I wasn't going to do everything myself. Starting up the national club was much easier. People willing to do the work are out there, but they seem to be out there in groups of no more than two per state... =Fa Shimbo (Bob owns the CompuServe number, I send all the mail...) [Posted in FML 0152]