Because some private replies indicate some confusion: Chris Lewis began the FML; Christopher Bennet began the FHL. The FML is over 20 years old; the FHL is a few months over 10 years old. Originally there was net.pets, then specialized things like net.pets.ferrets and that went away after the start of the FML (only to be restarted a few times and go away a few times). Chris Lewis began the FML (ferret mailing list) because we were being over-ridden by harassing posts from people who hated ferrets. He was in perfect health when he passed the reins to Bill Gruber and still was when we finally stopped exchanging holiday cards which seems like it was not all that many years ago. Bill Gruber has run the FML for most of its existence and done a great job. Because he was terminally ill, Christopher Bennett wanted to leave some things behind including a ferret health list, so I got him together with Dr. Bruce Williams who also wanted a place which would be vet-friendly with specific rules (a number of them ones which had been originally designed for an A-List I ran years before during a coccidia epidemic, and almost all of them written by veterinarians). The early FHL agreement was that I would handle the common questions, but I lacked time so we discussed who would be a good 4th person and Mike Janke was on all of our lists (and we were so happy when he agreed to join us). So, Christopher was terminal at the time the FHL was formed. He later died of pneumonia that he could not fight at way too young an age. Mike left much later. At that time was a few years older than me and developed pancreatic cancer in either his late 50s or early 60s. Both are sorely missed. So, two different lists and two different founders with similar first names... Sukie (not a vet) Recommended ferret health links: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ferrethealth/ http://ferrethealth.org/archive/ http://www.afip.org/ferrets/index.html http://www.miamiferret.org/ http://www.ferrethealth.msu.edu/ http://www.ferretcongress.org/ http://www.trifl.org/index.shtml http://homepage.mac.com/sukie/sukiesferretlinks.html all ferret topics: http://listserv.ferretmailinglist.org/archives/ferret-search.html "All hail the procrastinators for they shall rule the world tomorrow." (2010, Steve Crandall) On change for its own sake: "You can go really fast if you just jump off the cliff." (2010, Steve Crandall) [Posted in FML 7064]