I have information on the names, specific addresses, etc, of the two sisters. I have limited knowledge about their friend Bryce. Underage drinking, not just once, was on YouTube, plus the animal abuse. Sadly, the movie was taken down (by YouTube? By the girl?). I don't know what to do. Can anything be done now that the "evidence" is gone? Probably not. The only thing we can do is to nicely keep in contact with the kids to implore onto them that even a spoon full of alcohol can kill a small animal for the future. Thank you to those that have done or been doing this. Maybe something extreme like calling the mother and trying to find the owner of the animal if they are not, I have no clue. That's the thing. I acknowledge my limits. Other than adopting a ferret, I have no exposure to rescue work. I don't want to get involved and muck this up. That is why I put the info "out there" for those that have more common sense, or better yet, a little experience with rescue work. The optimum situation would have been for people in the tri-state area of Pa to have called authorities, but it may be too late for that unless they take witness statements somewhat seriously. I have no clue what I'm talking about as I said. I'm just batting around ideas. I knew if these movies were flagged this would happen. Remember that in future cases. All flagging does is one of the following: gets the movie an adult rating, gets the movie ripped down, suspends the persons account. There are millions of movies that go up on this site in a single day world wide. God knows how much of that is p*rn, abuse, etc. YouTube cannot physically look at all of the videos, let alone investigate every one of these cases. They are in danger of being put out of business every single day of their lives by Viacom, etc, for copywrite infringement (kinda like Napster with Metallica ... the Comedy Channel gets all pissy about people who put up short clips of things off their channel). Viacom now has lots of people on their side. YouTube, frantically tries their best to keep copywritten things off the site, but it is in no way possible. If they can't police something that their very own 'lives' depend on, they won't be able to monitor animal abuse, okay? A public video is the best evidence, the only evidence, of the abuse that you have when looking into these matters. For the future, in light of the sick, sick marine-puppy fiasco (marines tormenting and killing puppies in a video on YouTube), we need to know what to do. How did the guy that killed ferrets in China get caught? I'm thinking that if you know "where" the owner of the video is, you can contact authorities in that area and they could investigate it from there. I know one thing, "authorities" can often be really inept when looking into these things. For days, heck a week, the infamous marine-puppy video that hit the news for so long was debated on whether it was fake or not, let alone finding out any other information about it. It took me 10 minutes to look up the video on YouTube and see that the owner had a whole series of dog videos of them torturing and killing various dogs so duuuuuh, yeah it was real. With the drunk bunny case, ferret people did what I did and much more within 24 hours of me showing them this video. Likewise I'm sure it wouldn't' take much for names, etc, to have been discovered in the puppy case. But that didn't occur, at least right off. So, when looking into something like this, if you have any common sense about following posted comments, signatures, links, subscribers, profiles, using online name databases, etc to get a bit more information about something, do it ... I would personally not count on the local authorities to always be able to do this, at least in a timely fashion. I mean if CNN, et al, the marines had trouble, I'm assuming some local authorities might as well. Okay so, if anyone in the tri-state area would like to try to contact the authorities in the Erie, pa about Jillian and Nichole Kramer (and friend Bryce) about this, contact me and I'll give you the information that was shared with me. If anyone out of the state would like to do so, contact me as well. For those of you who have had any contact with Jillian, keep the lines open and I"ll keep my fingers crossed there. Secondly, I'd love to open a discussion about what to do in the future when animal abuse is spotted on YouTube. We should know what to do since this is a sensitive area and doing the wrong thing can seriously damage or muck up cases. [Posted in FML 5932]