Ok Ms. Wolfy, So far, using your methods, I have managed to tip over 3 ferrets, made 2 go into spinning circles until they too tipped over - too dizzy to even SNIFF for their treat, and one of em packed his little suitcase and started headin for the door..........*hehehehehe* Kim and Her "not so talented" army of idiots..... Lord, help me to be grateful for what I have, and not greedy for what I want..... [Posted in FML 5500]