Hey, Gerald. I always say, If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I use the Arm & Hammer too because of the fewer additives. You can use the Nature's Miracle, but it is so expensive! Also, Amway has an enviro-friendly product, S-A-8. I have tried almost everything and found that adding bleach to the detergent seems to help, no matter what the product used. The laundry still smells fresh. And, the fabric softener is nice for us, but I am not sure that they notice it. I also like the laundry detergents for babies that target urine stains. -- renee :) It's amazing how much can be accomplished if nobody cares who gets the credit! Ferret Emergency Response, Rescue & Evacuation Team (F.E.R.R.E.T.) http://www.ferretemergency.org International Ferret Congress http://www.ferretcongress.org American Red Cross http://www.redcross.org [Posted in FML 5400]