Eddie; While we used to think it was OK to give just a little bit of fruit or soft veggies to ferrets as treats the line of thought now seems to be that no fruits or veggies should be given at all. The idea is that by giving these foods we are giving more complex sugars and may be upping the odds for them to develop insulinoma later in life. So the answer is they should have none. If you do give them these treats please consider limiting them to VERY little. Two exceptions to this rule is that banana is a good source of potassium and pumpkin seems to help stem diarreah. So while we do try to follow doctors advice, there is a certain amount of wiggle room for exceptions. ---------------------------- Cathy can you try the large cat revolution for a couple of months, to try to eliminate certain paracites, and also try adding melatonin to the diet? How often do you bathe her? I'm just fishing here for what it may be, but if she's adrenal that sure is a likely suspect. Since it is shedding season you can bathe her ( I do not nornally suggest bathing a ferret) and (this'll be fun) brush her daily to help remove the hair. ------------------------------ Gina; My thoughts on the biting kit is that if you want this baby and have the patience and time to nip train her get her before some jerk does. I will never forget the instance of the man who was going to surrender his ferret because "the thing bites", but before the rescuer could get there he took her out to play one more time, she bit and he launched her across the room and hit the wall. She died! If you like her, please get her. If you don't like her email me privately and well talk. [log in to unmask] I was glad to see you referring to a ferret as grey. I took in a surrender this last weekend and the only color I could call her was grey.. I've had a black sable whose tint was blue rather than red but this is the first grey ferret I've seen. I also had to laugh at the reference to the Canadian ferret. One of the two ferrety loves of my life was a very severe biter who became a very people oriented playful lover. She was a Canadian. The most severe biters I've encountered or heard of are Canadians. That's not to say only Canadians or that all Canadians are biters, but there does seem to be more from that breeder. I don't think they are as well socialized before shipping and I do think they are more aggressive with biting in the beginning; but they also become gentle just as any American bred ferret I've seen. Really who can blame these babies for biting. When they go through the torment we humans (well uncaring breeders) put them through and the shipping terrors I think they've earned the right to stand up and say enough. It's up to each of us to show them that there is love and gentle kindness to be had at a human's hand. ---------------------------- Hi Nell; I think you're right. It does sound as if you are removing layers of alpha. Because the babies are so young I think you are right to separate the older ferrets from the babies and more gentle ferrets and let them become accustomed to each other more slowly, such as through cages. When the babies are older and can fend for themselves better might be a better time to introduce them to one more aggressive ferret at a time. JMO ---------------------------- Hi Ardith; I'm very sorry for your losses. Of course it's hard when a loved one leaves, but you already know that; and you seem to be holding up OK... Hugs to you for all you've done and the love you've shared. Vicki Vicki Montgomery Tricks and Treats Rescue Greater Houston/Galveston Texas 713-472-6599 [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] "Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace." ~ Dr. Albert Schweitzer [Posted in FML issue 5380]