I've been reading all the bs about the hush hush conspiracy that will allow these folks to continue to keep doing what they are doing for years to come. The bs about 'other shows' allowing this and that. Please, stop all the inuindo and state the facts. The Millers are the bad breeders. I personally haven't wanted to work with them because I never considered them responsible. They could never get through a records check at the shows without some problem, shots not up to date, records not with them, whatever. Todd was an AFA judge but the AFA decided not to renew his license last year. The Millers have not shown ferrets at AFA hosted shows for over a year. I think the paperwork has been started to officially ban them for life. There Dawn, the truth is out in the open. I remember hearing from someone who worked with them about 8-10 years ago. They visited to check out a litter and came away saying the conditions were deplorable. Gee, guess things haven't changed in the last 8-10 years. Also AFA banned Glenda Greggs from ever showing at AFA shows. She apparently is the breeder working with the Millers and also bringing the Miller's ferrets to sell LOS shows even though the Millers are banned from showing with LOS. That, in my book, is just wrong. If you ban the Millers then you should ban Glenda too. This is not 'placing rescues' this is selling kits for a breeder who is banned from your shows and can't get in to sell them. Nuff said. So there you have it folks, I've removed the cloaks. If the Millers have cleaned up their act but still have 10 intact ferrets, guess what?!?!? You will be hearing about this happening again real soon. Count on it! Abusers don't change, they just clean up every once in awhile to get the heat turned off their backs. Sooner or later they will always go back to their old abuser ways. Vickie, not afraid to go public, not talking on behalf of the AFA, just my own 2 cents on the subject. Vickie McKimmey Just a Business of Ferrets www.jbferret.com American Ferret Association Director of Shows and Special Events www.ferret.org [Posted in FML issue 5342]