I would like to chime in with my two cents worth on this debate about debates. :) I think there have been times lately when the tone in the posts has been slightly less civil than I would like to see. But, I think, overall, the arguments have been mostly intellectual and not defamatory. And I agree with the founding fathers. To explain that statement, I have to use the summary I was taught in college: "Those who wrote the first ammendment (Freedom of Speach) believed that the truth was strong. If you debate with an open mind, and listen to the other person's point of view, the truth will win out. If you do not allow what you believe to be truth to be tested, how will you know it is the truth?" I think that open mind is the most important part of that summary - if you are so sure you are right that you resort to insulting your opponent instead of debating his points, you no longer have an open mind. BIG, keep up the good work helping to keep the FML mostly on target, and as civil as any heated debate can be. :) Debbie [Posted in FML issue 5205]