Hi All Tony asked me to post his mail, Sorry Tony; I clean my computer every Friday so I no longer have it. Tony said his ferrets go to the university so that students being trained to become vets can learn, that is very noble, but it has one flaw. I am very lucky to be personally in touch with the two ferret vets in Holland. Nico Schoemaker and Hanneke Moorman. A few years ago one of my ferrets died and although we though we new why, I wanted it confirmed so I took him the university in Utrecht. At the time Nico was away, so he did not fill in the forms for the autopsy, consequently students did the autopsy. The results that came back mentioned nothing of what I had the autopsy done for. I asked Nico about this and his replay was, Students do most of their learning on dogs and cats, when they get the occasional ferret, they don't know what they are looking for or at, so they would not recognize a problem and therefore will come up with the wrong conclusion. If one of the professors checks it, he might come to a different conclusion, but they seldom have time to check all students. The students will only look for something if they are asked to look for it, otherwise they just learn. So Tony, the fact that your ferrets are being used as learning material, dose not mean you are getting the right results. And to be very truthful, we are having a ferret symposium in Holland in October, Http://www.frettensymposium.nl/eng/index.htm if we could find ferret-experienced vets in Europe, we wouldn't have to bring them all the way from America. And by experienced, I mean a vet who sees at least 10 ferrets a week. Stephenie Netherlands [Posted in FML issue 5221]