I am very sorry and understand if you thought that I went too far in my post. I just didn't think much of it because we have a sort of innocence in our family and we very are open about things in our family. I forget at times that others don't always enjoy such innocence. We never think of body parts, nor underwear as dirty. Ever. We also never attach derogatory ideas or stereo types to things either. Hence why my son was teasing his brother with "pink" undies. You are right in that the post was off topic. So for that I do apologize as well. However, you greatly misunderstood the meaning of some of what I said and of the event itself. In fact, a bit of it was "out there". Referring to a males penis as a "pickle" in the post was just a more cute and polite way to referring to genitalia. It has nothing to do with lack size at all. Like I said, it's in innocence so size issues, etc, never cross our minds in this house. The sock was not to imply that he was small in size either (what is this odd obsession with small size of male members you have anyway?). He put one in the undies himself, for parody and to make fun of men who focus on penis's, and to make it more visual and funny. I added to his own joke he had already deployed with the comment that he needed another sock so as to join in his fun. I was not the one that wore a thong with a sock in it for a joke. He did. He is not ashamed of himself or of what others might think of his antics, and he would not have run around the house in the open (one of the boy's friends was here by the way), if others knowledge of this embarrassed him. And I always get permission for anything I share. In fact I was probably so distracted by our little joke and our love of sharing the story with others (yes, he shares it with friends, company, etc as well) that I forgot that it could possibly offend someone who dislikes anything off color. The only thing I myself was offended at actually, was your calling our families fun "trash". You voiced your opinion (cowardly so, behind anonymity), I apologized for the possibility of going too far on list and for being off topic as well as voicing my opinion. May I ask now that the subject is closed on this list (unless you'd like to continue off list WITHOUT the cowardice of hiding behind anonymity) so as to not subject the other reads with an argument or negativity. They are just innocent bystanders. Thank you, Wolfy [Moderator's note: Wolfy, and the FML, accept my apologies. After some reflection, I do agree the reply was not appropriate as an anonymous post. Your original post might have best been left off too since it was rather off-topic, but all that means is that I might have screwed up twice, not once. (Though note, posts telling a personal story of a subscriber generally ARE allowed, so it's not clear cut there, but rather decided on a case-by-case basis.) BIG] [Posted in FML issue 5181]