Inge wrote: >First I will start with my 10 month old boys. They have been eating >raw since I got them. I have always had kibble out for them, but they >rarely touched it. All of a sudden they have decided they do not like >raw anymore except for liver and chicken wing tips.[ I swear they got >on this computer and read Sukie's thoughts on raw feeding . lol ] Well, I can't be responsible for ferrets' computer actions. We all know how FLO is. Heck, one of ours got on the keyboard and typed out frrrrt once. You just know FLO was listening... Seriously, though, ferrets do at times like to have a bit of variety so what is eaten for a while might later be rejected. Then out of the blue they will want it again. Ours recently did that with cooked liver and with cooked chicken cartilage. They can just get tired of a taste. As I recall they had a nasty GI sickness the last time you wrote. Perhaps they currently associate some of that food with having had sore bellies and diarrhea, so that has caused a change in habits. Pain is enough to put anyone off certain foods for a while. They might even be able to tell pretty well from the smell which foods they ate when the diarrhea and inflammation occurred, so they are eating the other options. I recently posted some links to the FML on feeding sick ferrets; they have ***very useful techniques***, so look in the FMLs from recent days. It might have been on the 13th or 14th. If you look in the header of the FML you can see how to have given digests sent to you. Oh, hey, you got lucky. I hadn't trashed that yet, and the full post was short so if it is okay with Bill to run again: > http://www.afip.org/ferrets/babyfood.html > http://www.miamiferret.org/fhc/duck_soup.htm > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG11898 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG7480 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG13270 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG14847 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG13112 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG11891 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG5231 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=YG2634 > http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=YG5072 > > Try a/d or Carnivore Care, too. Here is another trick that may be your night time solution; it uses normal ferret behavior to get the result you need. First and most important: the ferrets must NOT catch on that you know about this. Listen in secret, fill it in secret, check it in secret. Why? Because the ferrets need to feel that this is a real stash and that they are pulling the wool over your eyes. What is the trick? Put some kibble into a paper bag (preferably the size that we used to pack lunches in) and leave it when the ferrets are not observing you. Don't be surprised if they try to crunch very, very quietly. This is supposed to be a secret stash, after all, and you absolutely need to support that fiction by pretending to be completely unaware. Lupron: http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG13877 http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=SG13881 http://ferrethealth.org/archive/browse.php?msg=YG12265 reads: >I give the Lupron injections into the muscle of the back leg (IM). >Some vets do give it SQ. I do not know if giving it SQ works as well >as giving it IM. > >Hope that helps, >Jerry Murray, DVM I think there is more in the archives for you. One thing to know about screaming seizures is that in those grande mal seizures the individuals are having such large electrical brain storms that they are NOT aware of what is going on. So, as awful as they are for us the ferrets are not feeling things during the seizures themselves (though they may inbetween even though that time will be a bit foggy), instead the diaphram is going through spasms which is causing large amounts of air to suddenly be pushed out and that mechanically causes the screaming. They usually are seen with insulinoma, but can occur with diabetes, and with other causes of major seizures. Know that he was **not** in pain during those. I am glad that he was able to pass peacefully. -- Sukie (not a vet) Ferret Health List co-moderator http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ferrethealth FHL Archives fan http://ferrethealth.org/archive/ replacing http://fhl.sonic-weasel.org International Ferret Congress advisor http://www.ferretcongress.org [Posted in FML issue 5183]