ECE is anything BUT rare in the U.S. There were people in Canada who thought it was rare, but mostly it had not be tested for. It is unknown whether it might be in Europe because there have been some times when vets had suspicions but the right testing was never done the last I heard (but that was some time ago). I don't know about elsewhere. ECE is introduced usually from an infected kit because kits can pretty often be asymptomatic (though they still take damage from it), but the infected ferret does not have to be a kit, and sometimes the person brings the infection home after handling infected ferrets. This will help: http://www.afip.org/ferrets/ECE/ECE.html For insulinoma info I STRONGLY SUGGEST: http://www.afip.org/ferrets/PDF/insulinoma.pdf Both do have surgery/necropsy photos in color so if those bother you, print them out and up a paper stick'm over the photos so that you are sure to read the pieces completely. GREEN STOOLS DO *NOT* INVARIABLY MEAN ECE. *ANYTHING* which causes rapid transit of stools will result in green stools, and some of the other often seen things like coccidia or giardia can be hard to spot in the waste so multiple specimens may need to be examined. -- Sukie (not a vet) Ferret Health List co-moderator http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/ferrethealth FHL Archives fan http://ferrethealth.org/archive/ replacing http://fhl.sonic-weasel.org International Ferret Congress advisor http://www.ferretcongress.org [Posted in FML issue 5115]