Stuffed Ark I believe has both plushes you're looking for. I have a link to them on my site at www.ferretocious.com/links.html Be warned - they have weasels and mink and otters and :-0!!! I already have about eight different ferrets, the large river otter and the mink :) Laura and The Seattle Seven at http://www.ferretocious.com [Posted in FML issue 5091]