I mentioned your question to Harry, our technical expert. I don't deal with those types of tools, myself, so I am not as familiar with their names and uses. He was very busy at the time and could not take time to reply personally. Harry has been grumbling and hissing while working on some of his projects, lately. There is a photo of him at work, however, here: http://www.ferrets1st.com/FerretFirstFuzzies2.html I'm sure that any tools which might have been borrowed will eventually be returned once they are no longer needed for critical projects. Sanka, Unit Commander Ferret Liberation Organization, Ferrets First Foster Home [Posted in FML issue 5083]