First I want to thank Marguerite for her kind words to me in her post on my comments on 8 in1 of late. I still cannot defend that company no matter what they make that may be good. I have been a packaging maintenance manager and engineer for well known products such as JR Mints, Sugar Babies, Charleston Chew, Sugar Daddies, Twinkies, Hostess Bread, Girl Scout Cookies, Nabisco Products and many other items you commonly find on your own shelves. I know the machinery deeply in depth, the production processes and quality controls that every single faction of these food plants absolutely MUST adhere to exactly for the product to be viable for wholesale and retail which includes term storage and transportation factors. It is true that isolated negative events will occur and these can be explained by close investigation by the wide variety of input from all the different department managers, supervisors and associates in a plant that do the investigation to find the root cause. In the case of 8 in 1 this is not isolated. This is wide spread and rampart. If they cannot recall ALL the bad product, then the quality control and accounting departments are absent in viability where documentation fails to reflect code dates and shipments which can track any item made by type, factory, line, date, shift and time of day within not more than 8 hours. Phooey to 8 in 1. As Marguerite stated, we need to preach and NOT buy any of their products until 8 in 1 gets their act to a professional and acceptable level. If you heard that one person got a bogus burger from a particular fast food place, you may discount it as one of those isolated events. But if you heard that food place had many instances of this over a long period of time, wood you eat there? Will you spend your hard earned cash to feed this to a pet you love and that loves you in return? The answer is most obvious. Thanks again Marguerite ! Gordon, Pete and RePete [Posted in FML issue 5072]