I made a free-standing water bottle at one time. I used the heaviest gauge of wire that I could bend to make a sort of three-legged cradle for the bottle, and then made loops at the ends of the legs so that I could screw the cradle to a piece of wood. It looked a bit like a lunar lander :) I also filed down the cut ends of the wire so that if rambuctious play happened in the area of the water bottle, nobody would get cut by sharp edges. I was renting at the time (and still am, sigh) but if you are in a position where you can drill holes in your walls, making a vertical cradle that attaches to the wall (or to a board that is then attached to the wall) might be the way to go. Regina Regina Harrison [log in to unmask] http://users.rcn.com/badriya/ "Is that my business? Well, what is my business? Do I know? Did I ever know? Let's not go into that. You're not human tonight, Marlowe. Maybe I never was or ever will be... Maybe we all get like this in the cold half-lit world where always the wrong thing happens and never the right." --Raymond Chandler, The Little Sister [Posted in FML issue 5057]