After getting a private note with that person's information I figured that I'd better explain why I'd like to discuss this topic publicly. The reason I asked was triggered by thinking about a note (not on any lists, so if someone wrote about an adrenal growth recently, please, know that I didn't read something into what you wrote) from someone who called adrenal disease a major cause of death and said that it is not really treatable (not true by any measure for a very long time, though not all are caught in time for an assortment of reasons and some are just too involved with the neighbors, the Vena Cava and the liver so may need Lupron and melatonin as well as debulking and maybe also meds for complications) so I figured that two things could be accomplished if we discuss tour own experiences here: 1. Everyone could get a picture of what is causing deaths out there. (And I might get to see if there really are a lot of complicated R adrenal growths, or simply adrenals for which the people needed more info that they didn't know how to find, or if the writer had a skewed view.) 2. People who are not treating some treatable problems could start to realize from the ways that other's ferrets didn't die that they, too, could treat, so that would help them and their ferrets and may trigger an exchange of information on newer approaches the people may not have known and sources for info. Maybe, too, if there is someone here who likes to give to projects that improve veterinary health care (something we did a lot of when our finances permitted but haven't been able to do for a while) it might help that person weigh BTW, I accidently left out one of our ferret family members who had kidney failure. There are a lot of places I use for info. Of course, I use the FML Archives and for everyone's convenience Bill has kindly put the address right in the header of every day's FML, but here it is again: http://listserv.cuny.edu/archives/ferret-search.html I practically live in the FHL Archives which Pam and Eric Sessoms make available, among other materials and god deeds: http://fhl.sonic-weasel.org Ditto the critical resources/references of the IFC: http://www.ferretcongress.org Here are a few of my favorite sites by vets (and MORE can be found in the IFC critical refs): http://www.afip.org/ferrets/index.html http://www.vetsoftware.com/acvc2002-hess2.htm (which I have not noticed in assorted links but which is very useful) and of course articles from vets in ferret magazines. (I like vet texts, too, but some do get pricey. There is a new one that will be coming out -- I hope this year -- that I have make a spot for in my budget.) And last but way from least is Mike Janke's incredible Miamiferret site which gets quoted a LOT on vet sites and has marvelous articles that Mike writes in conjunction with specialists as well as ones from the vets and pharmacists themselves (and even others from those of us who just are writing of our experiences and learning, and what we have brought from those but who are not experts): http://www.miamiferret.org/fhc So, please, share. This is the sort of topic where we all stand to have an chance to learn a lot. [Posted in FML issue 4790]