First thanks to everyone for the wonderful responses, Randy the beautiful tree will flower in about one and a half years with the second Dutch symposium. I'm a bit behind on reading the mailing list, we took Bob out for a tour of Amsterdam yesterday, "oh what a day," we took him to the red light district and I had had a ball watching Bob LOL. Well in the evening the four of us were naturally talking about ferrets, and my big dislike came up, "breading for color and fir" I told Bob that our club refuses to judge certain types of ferrets, to try and stop them becoming too popular, in the hope that this will discourage breading, Bob said that the only way to really cut down on breading with certain ferrets would be for the members of clubs and veterinarians from around the world to get together and form a front in decisions about what is and what is not healthy and that we should then all of us stick to these decisions, only then could we really make people believe and understand that ferrets should be loved and wanted because they are ferrets and not because they are prettier than the ones next door. Sounds like a good idea to me, so who's game I can't do this on my own but I would be more than willing to help with the organization, we could make the first world wide ferret congress. Or am I dreaming dreams that cannot be. For those of you concern about the problems with Sorsen, I have been looking in to this, apparently there have been new laws passed, these are for animals from the fur industries, I would not think that Angora would be used for the fur industries, but Maybe in the Scandinavian countries they don't, as yet consider ferrets as domestic, anyway if anyone wants to look into it you can find the new laws online at the, council of Europe, page 25 "the report on the welfare of animals kept for fur production" Fabric eating, in my experience is a sign that the ferret is not feeling well or is nauseated you might want to look into hellico bacter. Thanks again Stephenie SDF [Posted in FML issue 4707]