hey hey hey! Not all men are handy.... and I'm sure that I am not the only woman/wife/ferret-mom out there that not only does the carpentry (such as it is), but has forbidden my mate from ever touching MY power tools! I'm the one with eyes glazed over walking thru the isles at Lowes gently fondling the drill presses, the grinders, and nail guns while my long suffering mate is hunkered down in the car, in the parking lot reading books on History, Physics, and The History of Pi. When the pipes need to be cut to length for the ferts, I'm the one out in the garage sawing away, and as far as attaching them to the ceiling.... might wanna think on that if you have a hide n seek fuzz-butt that may choose to stay up there, necessitating your dragging the ladder in, and disassembling your hard work. Then there's the spite poos, and 'can't make it to the box' pees to consider overhead as well. As far as the moulding around the window.... when said mate is home, lounging on the couch, chips in hand and fuzz-butt in lap... drag out the moulding, a tape measure, a saw, a hammer, and a handful of nails, and just 'look' like you're going to finish the job... if it doesn't get him moving through fear of a wall collapsing, then hey, go ahead and give it your best! It's got to be better than nothing..... right? Michelle (power tool hoarder), Willie (book hoarder), and the 14 fuzzbutts (everything else hoarders) ps, ok, I might play incompetent if I could have one or two of those naked to the waist well oiled slaves (heh heh heh) [Posted in FML issue 4701]