Owings, forgive me for the confusion. I may not state clearly. I loved your defensive nature toward ferrets, though! Smiles. I haven't had a ferret until I graduated from high school a year later. I'm a deaf person that used to live in a deaf school dormitory since I was hours away from home. Dorm life there was the best time of my life except for a certain supervisor I knew. She was ruthless. Ha. In the posting, I was explaining that I could understand what deaf ferrets must feel if I was in their paws with the pounding on the cages. This supervisor used to kick all the deaf students' beds to wake us up and it used to make our blood boiling every morning and catching our runaway souls to drag them back into our bodies. *chuckles* It is now banned for any supervisors to do this these days, thankfully. Anyway, thanks for having great, strong stand toward protecting ferrets regardless!. :) ' To clear up another confusion for few people that asked - Wolf's advice about softly thumping on the cage to wake the deaf ferrets up is great. What I meant in my posting is for anyone not to ruthless shake and bang and pound fully handed on the cage and scaring the ferrets out of their paws' socks to wake them up. I just helped rescuing two ferrets out of a home that this couple used to really pound onto their cages hard. They, in turn became very defensive toward anyone. They're okay now. My deaf ferrets as well as a deaf dog, too, have gotten used to me rubbing them to wake them up. They love it because they stretch out while I keep rubbing after they wake up. So adorable. Hope you all had fun Halloween recently. Hard to believe X mas is coming up so soon! April Crompton Deb Bistodeau [Posted in FML issue 4688]