Hi Sukie I was very surprised that you apologized to me, I see absolutely no reason why, I took your mail as it was meant, someone desperately looking for the answers to be used in the future to help other ferrets. We have a saying here in Holland, "if your toes are to long, they will be stepped on." I see a lot of this on the mailing list, someone who has no other intention than helping ferrets, places a message, that to me was obviously not intended as criticism but only to help and all of a sudden everyone is up in arms and a new flaming match begins. If everyone took the messages as they are generally intended, offering help, and if we all keep our toes tucked in, then everyone would dare to give there opinion, which would in the long run give everyone more needed information, and if someone posts on this list, they should also expect the reactions on the list, so Sukie, just say what you feel and keep up the good work Stephenie SDF [Posted in FML issue 4624]